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Ask Black America: Are We Better Off From Integration?

 

by Dr. Boyce Watkins

You hear it all the time from old-school types:  How black families were more secure before integration, we had more black-owned businesses, black children valued education, HBCUs were stronger, etc.  There are some who speak as if the status of black America has worsened after integration, rather than gotten better.  Could this be true?

I decided to take this question to the readers of my Facebook page to determine what others think about the matter.  You can read their thoughts below.  My take?  Integration is a mixed bag.  Most of us will always give thanks to Dr. King and others who had the courage to fight for us to have equal rights. But there is something wrong with a world in which black people feel that they must be sitting next to white people in order to feel entirely human.

Notice that whites weren’t fighting to get to our lunch counters, to move into our neighborhoods or to attend our schools, they still aren’t.  But we’ve always felt that white is right and that getting their validation and acceptance was the key to elevating our own self-worth, when the truth is that we were worthy all along.  It is self-sufficiency that builds strength, not unconditional assimilation.  That is my two cents.

You can read comments from the other readers below.  Please feel free to give your own take in the comments section:

 

 

  • Prince Adetunji Layade Better off individually, but worse off working together collectively.
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  • Aly Wane Actually the recent trend has been towards greater re-segregation again. This is a complicated issue. Keep it up, brother.
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  • Scarlet Birk-Moore I think we lost a sense of pride through integration. We are tying so hard to assimulate into their culture that we have forgotten all the wonderful things about our race that makes us unique. It’s great to be able to come together and embrace everyone, but you must never forget your foundation.
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  • Dell Gines Better, but different. We are better because our oppression isn’t centralized, because we have more economic mobility and flexibility and access to a wider range of self-determined option. 

    We are different, and somewhat worse, because we looked at integration as the end game, and not part of the process of economic independence, and global power and influence. 

    As a result, we have lost our collective economy, suffered from urban Black middle class flight, and have no control over our educational systems, no defined culture, and no real power in America. 

    So we are better off, but also we have limited ourselves dramatically in America.
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  • Kianti Smith WORSE.
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  • Ngeri Nnachi-Azuewah Interesting question. I would say better off though I understand the trains of thought associated with suggesting otherwise.
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  • Patrick Freeman I always tell others we are not better, we left our neighborhoods and took our money with us and gave it to other nationalities and they became rich ! You still have china town little tokeyo in big cities , but look at our neighborhoods run down ,no financial gain for us , they gain finacially , and don’t respect us at all ,
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  • Christopher Cager First, we need to have a “working” definition of that term “better or worse” because in my travels, folks have varying disparities on what “better or worse” means to them? Just sayin’..
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  • Mark E. Gunn If we were truly monolithic as a people, we’d be better off collectively. However, years of assimilation and brainwashing have rendered that almost impossible. If I could snap my fingers and make us all extremely focused and disciplined, I would. We would then set about solving the problems in our own communities and send the message that we could not be divided, much less conquered. Individually, we are better off.
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  • Kimberly Carter In some ways we are better or and in many ways we are worse.
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  • Prince Adetunji Layade I forgot the name of the pastor that mentored Rev. Al out in Brooklyn, but I recall him saying that there were qualities that we had during segregation that we haven’t brought with us since then which we are in dire need of. I wish he was still around for him to speak on them.
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  • Ryan O. Adams We are worse off as a group. We don’t speak to one another. We don’t patronize Black-owned businesses. We have become divided and subdivided along lines of class, education, and income. Segregation put us all under the same tent. Nearly every blue-eyed man or woman was the enemy. We were forced to rely on each other. With the exception of the handful of fair-skinned Negroes who could pass for White, all of our nuts were on the chopping block. It didn’t matter if you had a PhD or a GED, your seat was in the back of the bus. Our people were kidnapped, beaten, tortured, and murdered. Our homes and churches were bombed. I would hate to think that all of that bloodshed was for the right to sit next to a white man and have a slice of apple pie at a lunch counter. African-Americans spent $9.4 BILLION on alcohol, tobacco, and entertainment in 2010. We hate each other’s guts, but we sure love to party (CBC Legislative weekend foolishness). We have the resources to save ourselves. The resources are in our wallets and bank accounts. The unintended outcomes of integration are worse than segregation. How are we going to fix this mess? Here’s a clue…the solution isn’t in Washington! Having a man of color in the White House might FEEL good, but that sure won’t fill our stomachs and our bank accounts.
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  • Andrew Williams Better, however, we need to remember that we as a people need to support each other and reach back and help each other. Integration has had a negative effect on the economics as we spend our dollars outside the community. We have become depended on others for employment. We need to take control of our future.
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  • Prince Adetunji Layade YOu bring up something interesting Ryan. I sometimes wonder how real was our collectivism prior to integration? Was it more by our willingness to work together, or tied to the fact that we had no other option but to do so?

    Even when the opportunity was afforded to other groups (when Jews were white), there is still that collectivism that amongst them as a group. We in turn ran from it without looking back.
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  • Ryan O. Adams We learned a lot from white folks after integration…we got hooked on his dope and aborted Black babies in nice clean integrated abortion clinics…yeah, gotta love that integration. Malcolm X was definitely on point because white folks were scared of him. The Black Panthers scared the daylights out of white America. As long as we were holding hands, marching, and singing civil rights songs, we were not a threat. MLK became a threat when he started criticizing US involvement in Vietnam. Malcolm X said “we need to stop singing and start swinging!”
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  • Douglas Paul It definitely has not fulfilled its promise and, in many ways, is not a priority anymore (especially if you look at public schools).
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  • Craig Gray We are better, but we lost sight of the vision. The other races still have there’s.
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  • Cortina Hosch To piggyback off the comment Prince Adetunji made I think as a unit we don’t work collectively anymore. I have been shouting this for years. It appears to me after integration some black people became more out for self. The “I have made it, I’m done” or “I got mine, get your own” syndrome.
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  • Mel Cragwell the problem is that segregation, economically speaking , means that your base is limited and profit margins static, at best. Factor in poorly run businesses with poor products, services and inventory and no wonder black businesses fail inside of 3 years. Look at it another way, Chinatown attracts people from across all of the spectrum but name me one AA economic locale that has a similar attraction and is a viable community…name me one! I’m guessing Harlem is about as close as one can get….and I’m shocked and very disappointed in Chicago…of all places where AA’s are in large numbers, the urban setting, is shameful….but they good at marching!!!
  • Robin Leveston I just saw two idiots driving down the street with speakers ON TOP of the car blasting the worse derogatory rap music ever!!! Integration??? What happened to being better off with common sense?? Naturally they got pulled over by the police!
  • Ryan Kamehameha Thompson Worst! In all fields of human endeavor.
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  • Ryan Kamehameha Thompson @ Mel, small businesses do businesses within communities that look like them. 

    The assessment you gave hold true with Blacks, because of desegregation.
  • Boom Whitten Jr. Worst!!!!!
    For those who sat Better, PLEASE explain your RATIONALE!!!!
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  • Veda S Stanley Worse in some aspects and better in others
  • Ray McKoy WORSE!
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  • Christopher Cager Uh oh Mel Cragwell!! You troopin’ into dangerous territory. Lmao..
  • Christopher Cager Give me some “empirical and scientific” evidence we are doing better collectively?
  • Bob Lee Give me my ‘sheep skin’ on this one. America is nothing more than a ‘make shift’ country and extension of your united european corporations. ‘Integration’ is nothing more “than a fleeting illusion to be pursued, but never attained” while everywhere is War! (BMW from the speech by Emperor Ras Rafari). A nation such as ours that literally suffered complete and total domination by these people, would never reach its full potential under their auspices.
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  • Michael Ramsur Some better, others worse.
  • C’Lee White Better. If segregation equalled both parties being equally supported in everything then I could possibly say, ” I vote for segregation.” It was not. And not only physically was it not supported, mentally/spiritually it was not either. Just by separating a group of people and giving them better access to things it caused them to believe (and some still holds these beliefs) that they are better. We may never (on this side of life) get to the point where we are 100% better off now. But it is far from being separated and treated less than human.
  • Daniel Rosario You know the answer to this. Clearly, Blacks performed better under segregation. More Black inventors and scientist. Also, diversity creates conflict and ultimately a pressure to change one’s identity in order to be accepted.
  • Khalil Shaheed The coons and sell-outs are better off financially.. Black people ain’t moved an inch monetarily, politically, socially or spiritually.
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  • Lamarlo G. Wiiliams both…better financially…worse..mentally..we are divided as ever and we are not focused on what really matters in our community!!1
  • James FierceGiants Martin I don’t think the notion of “worse off” should be in the discussion. Did my father get to pursue a PhD? Yes. Did my mother (& sister) get to go to Northwestern University? Yes. Did my other sisters gets to Stanford? Yes. 1 has a PhD from there. Is 1 of my sisters married to a Whiteman in the state of TEXAS? Yes. They love each other. Can I walk where I want to, work where I choose to, eat where I wanna & live wherever I see fit? Yes. The country has always been a salad bowl, irrespective of what anti-multi-culturalist, conspiracy theorists might say. Was segregation somehow more conducive to Black life? f**k no.
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  • Sandra Booker Worse!!! Why? Because it became more important to be white instead of having equal access to the same opportunities. Until black men find value in black women, I blame them.
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  • Sandra Booker Integration started when black men found it more important to bow their knees to white Jesus rather than standing up and being men.
  • Manny Childs Worse!
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  • Manny Childs We lost the most important thing and that’s a community and black owned businesses…I don’t understand why we needed to integrate into the oppressors house anyway. Now we don’t own nothing.
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  • Roger Daye The effect of intergration in America has been positive in many aspects. Many responding to the question are not aware of what conditions were like in a segregated society and do not really understand that segregation equals degradation. Before the Civil Rights Bill was enacted 1964, Blacks could not vote or forced to pay additional taxes to vote, worked on jobs without equal pay, kids in school had to use books that were often missing pages , torn and tattered because of previous use by whites. Rights that we totally take for granted today, rights that others fought for are taken for granted today.I am certain that Black people are better off from intergration.When people speak on the aspect of spiritually, that is something we dig down deep within to achieve. When we speak of helping each other, the same oppurtunity exists for all(what are you willing to sacrifice to achieve your goals) . The door was opened through intergration. Things have not changed in a lot of respects regarding peoples thinking thou, even before 1964 some were jealous of others success, always thought the grass was greener, sit and waited for others to help them along, called others sell-outs and so on and so forth. I guess the question today is what legacy do we leave for future generations?
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  • Khalil Shaheed @Sandra integration started in the church. 1 charismatic black man preacher convincing the masses of blacks. But recently black women have kept the torch of white jesus alive and well. Way more black men have abandoned the traditional church and have been replaced by homosexual mamas-boys.
  • Adrienne BlackBettyboop @ Roger Daye, it’s still that way in many states
  • Beverly Macon Much worse!
  • Daniel Rosario Roger Daye – We’re not talking about voting rights; we’re talking about segregation vs. ‘integration.’ Whether or not integration has brought a significant positive to the Black race as a whole, mainly in the areas of education. And James Martin, we’re not talking about individual accomplishments, We’re talking about ‘Black people’ as a whole. A PhD may only be as good as the paper its printed on if its not used to become an effective force towards the betterment of society.

70 Responses to Ask Black America: Are We Better Off From Integration?

  1. caz Reply

    October 6, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    White People promotes MLK because they new that his wanting integration for Black People in this country was not good for them. If people take notice, Whites are always pushing MLK in our face. Since when have Whites become so interested in Blacks. They know integration will keep us enslaved.

  2. KG Reply

    October 5, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Civil rights were necessary in our fight from slavery to freedom. How are we to be free if we are not allowed to make decisions as voting citizens or allowed the same rights as whites? Unfortunately, our identity will be forever linked to slavery and shaking off that legacy will be our burden. Our next step is to gain economic power and that is difficult to do in today’s global economy and when there are so many markets that aren’t based in the AA community.

    So, I feel the issue AA people are still weighing in their minds is, Will assimiliation be necessary to success? Immigrants think so, and that is part of the reason many are more successful (opportunity is another) than blacks who have been in this country for generations.

    The problem is that blacks were never given an opportunity to prove ourselves (no reparations, no incentivizing of black-owned business, rampant economic and housing discrimination). The physical chains never left. We are still plagued by so many issues but I believe that we will get there (AND STILL I RISE!!) We are a resilient people, but we need to support one another more, in word AND deed.

  3. PayMeToVote Reply

    October 5, 2012 at 1:04 am

    Why do people want science to prove visible BEings but live by faith that God IS? :0/
    ANYWAY!!!
    Get your heart and your mind in the correct alignments! Know your heart!!!!!
    No, integration is actually unlawful, and we’ll pay for voting to keep slavery alive. Some of yall like paying with other people lives but wait until the TRUTH be showed!!!! All will be on their knees!
    Congress, Senate, Oprah, Bill G., Rockefellers….ALL on “vacation” until after the elections! TRUTH will be told to you Black Kings and Queens!!! That’s right times up….poles shift back soon! Photon belt coming through to cleanup this mess of darkness!!!! Amen!!!!!!!

  4. Ifa-El Akbar Reply

    October 4, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Some of what we are discussing here is really seen in a scientific experiment.

    You will need a 16oz pitcher of water.
    A marble for each Immigrant group Try five…
    A vial of food coloring to represent the only people who were forced to integrate and never had their own language to keep them cohesive.

    Drop the marbles into the pitcher of water and observe the Immigrants hitting the bottom but retaining its shape (culture, cuisine…) and language being the most important factor in cultural cohesion. Now force out a few drops of a Dark food coloring or something comparable to represent the different tribes and clans of West Africa. You will see that the the cohesive drops last only a few seconds as one and then are diminished almost disappearing. Now pour the pitcher and its contents into another pitcher to represent each successive generation, and so on.

    After 3 pours you should get it, and if you are not careful it might tear you up inside to know that you cannot ever get back what was lost. Anytime there is a larger group that asks a smaller group to Integrate, the smaller group “breaks up” and LOSES THE ESSENCE of who they are!

  5. Benjamin Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Some of us know that integration was only a small part of our success. We have made very little progress overall. We need to develop the art of critical thinking.

  6. Sallie Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    We are worse off since we lost our sense of ‘Black American’ culture. But this isn’t all our fault. The times we did develop our own communities (towns, cities) and saw them and our families, friends, heroes, businesses, stores, hospitals, etc., burned and destroyed…restored the fears and feelings of hopelessness that left us submissive during ‘physical slavery’. So even when we who have courage step forward to develop progression for us, we’re interrupted by the ones with fear and laziness. Therefore, we’re left with intergrating for life’s sake where we can or doing numerous small projects here and there that allow a few to survive while most of us kill off eachother.

  7. wilma scott Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    It is a misconception that we integrated the American system of government. We were allowed a level of access but we DID NOT FULLY “integrate”. Integration impies some level of assimmilation. That we did NOT do. Remember that our people for 600 + + years, generation after generation was indoctrinated with the systemic teachings of racism, inferiority, and self hatred. That is a LONG time to train in self hatred. We are only 45 years out of legalized Jim Crow. Integration was also a natural oonsequence to slavery. WE were taught to hate ourselves and envy, love all that our white slaveowners represented. We gave voice to integration being the same as freedom but the words were words without honest meaning because what we actually gave voice to was the need for “acceptance”. It has been almost a “natural” progression from slavery. After 600 years, how else would most of us view ourselves other than just extensions of our “masters”. We are still on a journey to being free. That journey is filled with sorrow and pain,, much of what we see today. I believe, however, that we WILL emerge a stronger and better people. Our weakness, however, is as each of us gains a more AFrocentric perspective, we need to work on unification. You do see it happening primarily in the deep south. If we are to rise as a people, it will happen as a model In the south first.

  8. wilma scott Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    It is a misconception that we integrated the American system of government. We were allowed a level of access but we DID NOT FULLY “integrate”. Integration impies some level of assimmilation. That we did NOT do. Remember that our people for 600 + + years, generation after generation was indoctrinated with the systemic teachings of racism, inferiority, and self hatred. That is a LONG time to train in self hatred. We are only 45 years out of legalized Jim Crow. Integration was also a natural oonsequence to slavery. WE were taught to hate ourselves and envy, love all that our white slaveowners represented. We gave voice to integration being the same as freedom but the words were words without honest meaning because what we actually gave voice to was the need for “acceptance”. It has been almost a “natural” progression from slavery. After 600 years, how else would most of us view ourselves other than just extensions of our “masters”. We are still on a journey to being free. That journey is filled with sorrow and pain,, much of what we see today. I believe, however, that we WILL emerge a stronger and better people. Our weakness, however, is as each of us gains a more AFrocentric perspective, we need to work on unification. You do see it happening primarily in the deep south. If we are to rise as a people, it will happen as a model In the south first.

  9. Ixon1 Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Worse We have given up our heritage for money,positions of power and forgotten what made us strong. But not to worry by the way black men are going to jail and our women are taught that they don’t need a man. We are going back into slavery and if we do not begin to work together as a race we are not going to be around much longer

  10. Malik Emir El Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    SkillWe are worse off than before. We lost our independence, culture, educational Value, families, skills, business, banks, churches, true leaders, Our Men, etc. Intergation has not brought us together as a nation. It has only made us easier to pick off and many Blacks have found value in being disloyal to there own people. Many of our brothers and sister have bought into the multiracial Marriage game as well as the.meth that so called black schools are better then. Black schools. If we .would have.remain unto ourselves.we would have created jobsfor our children. As well keeping many of the paddens, inventions, etcfrom us that Europeans were so freely to steal from Black people because they were placed in. Bondages !v

  11. Malik Emir El Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    SkillWe are worse off than before. We lost our independence, culture, educational Value, families, skills, business, banks, churches, true leaders, Our Men, etc. Intergation has not brought us together as a nation. It has only made us easier to pick off and many Blacks have found value in being disloyal to there own people. Many of our brothers and sister have bought into the multiracial Marriage game as well as the.meth that so called black schools are better then. Black schools. If we .would have.remain unto ourselves.we would have created jobsfor our children. As well keeping many of the paddens, inventions, etcfrom us that Europeans were so freely to steal from Black people because they were placed in. Bondages !v

  12. renee boseman Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Black teachers when I went to school made us learn, stayed on our behinds and would not let us fail. They gave us self esteem and expected the best from us. They knew our parents and grandparents personally and would let us know we better not mess up. We had a lot of pride in ourselves, we saw ourselves as able and a part of something. Cheerleaders, class president,yearbook staff, student council, class leaders, glee club, etc. all black and never told we couldn’t do it. We were our own examples and role models.

    • Derrick Reply

      October 3, 2012 at 4:25 pm

      @renee boseman:

      That’s REAL OLD SKOOL talk right there! I lived through that segregation era, and we WERE much better off, when we had OUR OWN!

      Today, these caucasoid female teacher don’t give a d**n about our children, because they either pass them on, without the KNOWledge of reading and writing just, so they can end up on the streets. Special Education was just that, THE TEACHERS TREATED THE SLOWER STUDENTS “SPECIAL” AND WITH LOVE.

      My aunt taught SE students for 40 years, and she enjoyed every minute of it! She gave them hugs, not drugs; like they do today in these schools. And, she said they were not dumb, but smart, once you spent some time with them.

      ALSO, RITALIN WAS NEVER HEARD OF, UNTIL TODAY!!!!!!

      Back in the day, our teachers KNEW our parents and the principals were BLACK MALES, and they also knew our parents. Today, the majority of these caucasoids don’t want to interact with these Black children or their parents.

      How can they love and teach our children when they HATE us adults?

      THE GOOD OLD DAYS WERE BEAUTIFUL!

      GOOD POST!

  13. Blackphoenix Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 10:35 am

    I personally think we are worse off due to integration for some of the reasons mentioned and honestly, it all can be attributed to the dissipation of unification as a people. Unification gave us the necessary moral strength as a people that emanated during the struggles of trying to secure equality in a country that still today regard us as a burden.

    Although we know it was sought to bring us into assimilation when it comes to this society overall, it created a form of division of us as a people by those who became mentally enthralled by the movement thereby negating the overall purpose behind fighting to achieve equal rights.

    Today, we remain at the bottom rung of the ladder of opportunity, education and business socially and politically. Looking at the issue of immigration of the Hispanic population makes me wonder evenmoreso at the relevant facts on how they have entered this country legally and illegally but are being postured by this government to become the new labor force as well as the new major minority with total government and business support.

    So yes, integration has diminished us as a people in a country that has created a form of individualism within the Black race due to the assimilation as a result of integration. Now it’s too late and I believe overall this country will suffer as a result.

  14. Deborah Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Dr Watkins is right here. I wouldn’t say that blacks are worse off, but we must get back to race pride and self sufficiency. The Chinese and Indians and Pakistani’s have their own businesses, so despite the fact that they also live in a racist society, they are able to make their own way and be economically independent. African Aemricans should stop pandering to the white majority and start creating again, like they were before integration- but now with the added benefits of intergration.

    • caz Reply

      October 6, 2012 at 1:05 pm

      That’s because they understand economics, Blacks don’t.

  15. John H Hill Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Those who talk about “going back” to Africa are delusional. They don’t want us. They are having one h**l of a time getting along with each other. Forget about whites who have a stake in Africa. They are not leaving. We have a stake in THIS country, and I am not leaving. Sometimes I get so discouraged and say that I will leave but I am a better man than that. I am going to stay here and make it work.

    • MsObsidian Reply

      October 4, 2012 at 12:04 am

      @John H Hill,

      d**n straight! Whether we are worse off or not, I am not going no where. My ancestors blood, sweat, and tears paved this land. This land is our land just as much it’s anyone else.

  16. caz Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 7:34 am

    In my community the Blacks own nothing, not even the housing. Blacks left their own well-being to the slave-master.The Hispanics is now infiltrating Black communities and over charging and cheating them out of their money. The neighborhoods are crumbling due to our money not being reinvested in the community. How can Blacks be the stupidest people on earth. These conversations are meaningless because Blacks are not going to do any different. They love the slave-master. Is there anything else that makes sense that can be discussed?

  17. Titus Robinsonel Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 6:24 am

    To all of you that commented above, how many lived through Segeration, White / Colored water foundations/ white & Colered tolits, sitting in the back of the bus, not being able to try on clothes in department stores.
    If you didn’t experience any of the above, your point is mute.
    To cap this off , more Black men are in prisons today, than were slaves in America.

  18. Jo Ann Herron Reply

    October 3, 2012 at 12:12 am

    One more comment: After the Civil Rights Act of 1965 was signed by President Lyndon Johnson and Martin Luther King’s Death. I think that African American leaders should have come together with a plan on how we would live as a people in this new integrated society. If I remember correctly MLK prayed to God to advise him on what we should do as a people (i.e, Continue the Bus Boycott or Purchase our Own Buses)prior to speaking to the people in church the night the Gov. came in and declared desegregation of the Buses. If you remember the same thing happened after slavery prior to the reconstruction period (No Plan). We went right in to Jim Crow and segregation. Now after Integration (No Plan) we are moving back to Segregation. It is time we come together and fix the problem. Integration was Good but we (African Americans) had no plan for our lives as a people.

  19. bernice Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Subject: intergration and jim crow. Jim Crow laws were not abolished, They just changed it a little, and they let you know it. Didn’t you hear what Romny said? As high as Oboma rose up, it was not high enough. Romny said “he is not one of us” so don’t try to cross the line. Some of us thought if we got big bucks, that might blind them and they would think that we are as white or as good as they are. Well! they laughed at you as you bought big houses next door to them with your loud music and partys as they prepared to feed you dope and feed your ego. You rose up so high you forgot this is america. They knew that you would not send any of that money back to help your people as other would do, so all they have to do is sit back and wait for until you give it all back and he will find a way to put your a*s back into slavery which is now called (JAIL) mind you– a black jail where all are the same.BLACK

  20. Onaje Asheber Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    whites are taking over what war major Black towns, cities, just as retaking over lands overseas.

  21. Jo Ann Herron Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    I have lived through segregation and now integration and I believe that integration could be the cause of our African American Race one day becoming extinct. Due to the fact a large percentage of African American Males do not date or marry African American Females. Who will young educated and/or uneducated African American Females date? Will they not marry and have children? Love seeks to divest itself. All through the years of segregation, African American Women chose to date and marry African American men and most still do. Even in slavery when the Master would impregnate the African American Female she still preferred the African American Male and protected him in every way she possibly could.

    Integration made it easier for African American Men to pursue females of other Races and now I pray that our Strong African American Men will Return to our African American Women. If not, we all will suffer the consequences; there will be no Strong African American Men or African American F
    Females as we are known today. This is a jahism.
    Can anyone tell me how the great Phoenicians became extinct?

  22. Max Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    f**k NO WE ARE WORSE OFF, SEPARATE BUT EQUAL IS WHAT WE NEED. THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT & RESPECT EACH OTHER THE WAY WE ARE IN OUR OWN CORNERS. BLACK PEOPLE ESPECIALLY OR ANY OTHER GROUP HAS NEVER
    THRIVED INTEGRALLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GROW & DEVELOP SEPARATELY BEFORE YOU CAN EVER CONSIDER OR VENTURE INTO INTEGRATION AND WE HAVE YET TO GROW IN THE WAY OTHER GROUPS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO.

    • MsObsidian Reply

      October 3, 2012 at 11:58 pm

      @Max,

      You are right. Other ethnic groups are taught before and as soon as they enter this country what side to be on. They are more likely to side with the white supremacist paradigm in order to get ahead. Sadly, the racial hierarchy is still in effect, and everyone is trying to climb or be nearest to the “top” (e.g. whiteness). What is also sad, is that you have these Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and other mulattos from the Caribbean and the rest of Latin American coming to he USA and disassociating themselves from Blackness. Bullshit! They relax and straighten their hair, their whole culture and cuisine is part of the African Diaspora. However, they are quick to align themselves with the white paradigm, while simultaneously benefiting from Civil Rights Movement.

    • MsObsidian Reply

      October 3, 2012 at 11:59 pm

      @Max,

      You are right. Other ethnic groups are taught before and as soon as they enter this country what side to be on. They are more likely to side with the white supremacist paradigm in order to get ahead. Sadly, the racial hierarchy is still in effect, and everyone is trying to climb or be nearest to the “top” (e.g. whiteness). What is also sad, is that you have these Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and other mulattos from the Caribbean and the rest of Latin American coming to he USA and disassociating themselves from Blackness. Bullshit! They relax and straighten their hair, their whole culture and cuisine is part of the African Diaspora. However, they are quick to align themselves with the white paradigm, while simultaneously benefiting from Civil Rights Movement.

      Oh, did I mention that Blacks from the Caribbean and Latin American ain’t no better.

  23. tam Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    White folks always talkin’ ’bout black folks need to go back to Africa. Well I would love to return to Africa IF all the whites (including afrikaaners) and other non- Blacks would get the h**l off the continent. We Black amerikans could re-migrate there and force some racial pride on those docile brain trashed Afrikans.

  24. MsObsidian Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    I never lived through segregation but I have heard stories about it and I have read many books. As an African/Black American, rather I lived through it or not, it is apart of my collective heritage and memories. Personally speaking, I believe integration is simply a white supremacy cloaked behind the illusion of “equality for all”. In actuality, integration I believe was promoted to cater to the white supremacist paradigm (e.g. white savior complex, The Great White Hope, and white guilt). Integrating muddled fact from fiction. Fact: Before integration, Black people had no choice only but to stick together socio-economically (real estate, business patronage, education, and marriage/families). Integration told us that all black schools, businesses, and neighborhoods are inferior. Therefore, fueling the our “inferiority complex”. That was done systematically and institutionally, segregating which went hand in hand with disinvestment. Fiction: Integration will lead or has lead to equal investment/ or re-investment in Black communities or in other words “Integration will make y’all better off”. Yeah right! Integration is simply telling Black people that “y’all are not capable self-determination, y’all need OUR help”. Sadly, we are and have been in collusion with the white supremacist paradigm for so long. Other ethnic groups are in collusion with it too.

  25. Greg Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    It has definitely turned out to be worse, but with more condidtions than has been expressed here. We never stood a chance to be the people we ought to be. They were never going to let us live in peace and prosperity. When they had those super race riot back in the early 20th Century, it was when the blacks and whites were seperated. There has been too many things that sabatoged any chances of us recovering from this American nightmare. They finished us off for good with the drugs, joblessness, and now re-slavery with the Prison/Industrial/Complex. We never really had a chance to prosper in this country. As a collection of people, we were never going to win integration or seperation. There have been individuals who have benefitted either way.

  26. Gene Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    I think that we are worst off than I think that we were when it was segregated. Blacks have it hard before when slavery and the Jim Crow and other racist bigots was on the planet, but I think that we are worst off because it is no black pride or coming together to help one another out and be a focal point of change and build our own businesses, schools, houses, etc. I not saying integration was bad, but I feel that MLK was thinking we should of waited and really stand our ground and build our own businesses and people up before becoming integrated.

  27. Grady Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    The only thing I see integrated is our BLACK DOLLARS 80% of black folks never went anywhere.We are still all living among each other.The other nations come in and be bothered withus long enough to escape with those dollars and our women(and men)

  28. Grady Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    The only thing I see integrated is our BLACK DOLLARS 80% of black folks never went anywhere.We are still all living among each other.The other nations come in and be bothered withus long enough to escape with those dollars and our women(and men)

  29. Grady Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    The only thing I see integrated is our BLACK DOLLARS 80% of black folks never went anywhere.We are still all living among each other.The other nations come in and be bothered withus long enough to escape with those dollars and our women(and men)

  30. MrUniteUs Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    First we must understand the difference between
    integration and dis-integration, otherwise known as disintegration. The profitable, job creating, Negro Baseball was disintegrated. True integration would occurred it the Negro League teams merged with the White league. Hispanics understand integration at all levels far more than African Americans. Our focus must be on economic integration.

  31. Thomas Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    And If you add that fact that EVEN MLK Himself in his Last Days, according to Harry Belafonte’s account, He expressed to him that although he had no doubt that we would have integration in this country, he also had serious thoughts about whether it was right… He expressed it to Belafonte as “I fear I’ve have integrated my people into a burning house”, days before he was killed…

    From the full account given by Belafonte,
    MLK was concerned that We as black people would become joined partners in the corruption of this government and society with white people in this country…

    and from a social-cultural behavioral perspective it looks like we have..

  32. Thomas Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    And If you add that fact that EVEN MLK Himself in his Last Days, according to Harry Belafonte’s account, He expressed to him that although he had no doubt that we would have integration in this country, he also had serious thoughts about whether it was right… He expressed it to Belafonte as “I fear I’ve have integrated my people into a burning house”, days before he was killed…

    From the full account given by Belafonte,
    MLK was concerned that We as black people would become joined partners in the corruption of this government and society with white people in this country…

    and from a social-cultural behavioral perspective it looks like we have..

  33. RAN Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Well I don’t think anyone has the right to tell someone else that they can’t live in a certain neighborhood, go to a specific school, eat at a particular place, because of the color of their skin. In that regard I think ending Jim Crow LAWS was an important achievement and a good thing. But we didn’t check our minds. We definitely got it in our heads that the grass was greener on the other side. And unfortunately many of us still haven’t figured out that the grass only looked greener. Underneath it was more poisonous than the land we lived on. We crossed over and took our money to the people who didn’t want us on their side of the fence in the first place. They realized that they could get rich and build wealth in their communities and families because we started feeding them and starving ourselves. We get money and take it to their stores, their malls, their restaurants. We get education and business sense and take it to their businesses instead of building up our communities, making sure that our own is being fed. Somewhere along the way integration sent us a message that while we were fighting to be “equal” once we won the fight everything would be all good. Except we won and we still believe we’re not as good as them, and behave as such, so what was the point?

  34. Bahati Sobukwe Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    JOIA@ I vote worst! You spoke the truth as I know it! Ase’

  35. Bahati Sobukwe Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    JOIA@ I vote worst! You spoke the truth as I know it! Ase’

  36. Bahati Sobukwe Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    JOIA@ I vote worst! You spoke the truth as I know it! Ase’

  37. Bahati Sobukwe Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    @Joia, WORSE! You spoke the truth as I know the truth. Ase” (And so it is)

  38. LottaHoney Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    We are WORSE with integration. As a youth, I remember well many black-owned businesses. We were happy in our black community. After reading Sonny Wilson’s Toast of the Town, I am very sorry integration ever happened.

  39. LottaHoney Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    We are WORSE with integration. As a youth, I remember well many black-owned businesses. We were happy in our black community. After reading Sonny Wilson’s Toast of the Town, I am very sorry integration ever happened.

  40. Joia Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    WORSE!!!!!

    How can a people be better off when once they thought they had “arrived” they started to devalue and demonstrate obvious disdain for everything that is indigenous to them: their communities, their businesses, their schools and teachers, their hair, their skin color, their history, their Elders, their Ancestors, their women and children etc. ad nauseum.

    Extreme assimilation has become the hallmark of self hate which only intensified with the advent of integration. Black folks have now lost their minds and all sense of self while chasing an impossible dream gone nightmare, assimilation at the expense of one’s self. They don’t know that you cannot run away from your own shadow, it’s impossible, and that is what “integration” has done to us.

    AND, we’re now walking around to and fro, living next door to our oppressors and are totally impervious to the fact that most of us still live totally different world of experiences and in a totally different world from those we think we know. We have no intimate access and exposure to the world of the ruling class ethnicity; and have no concept at all to the machinations of power, which is why we think we’re free. Mind control doesn’t require separation. The brainwashed and ignorant mind rules the actions of its victims, who needs chains and barriers then?

    Even when we were servants, we got to witness and learn from paying attention to the ruling class of folks in their homes and while servicing them in their inner most private environments and paying attention to conversations, habits and haunts. This was how our Elders and Ancestors geot their common sense knoweledge and education, not via the new “mis-eduation” which programs the mind with white supremacy indoctrination, especially for a people who don’t want to know about themselves and their history and they think their Ancestors were just dumb beasts of burden — the furthest thing from the truth. We can’t touch our Ancestor’s coat tails, yet we think we sophiticated. Ha!

    Now we’re more on the outside than we know, but think we got it going on. We are in fact, more segregated now, in terms of access to knowledge and information, and exposure than ever. This is all in reference to us as a collective people.

    There have always been those who experienced things outside the so called “bell curve” but true power as a people can never be achieved via singular and/or isolated experiences. Collective power is the only real power of a people.

    Everyone knows that but black folks, and even it must be coupled with self-love, respect for self, history, Elders and Ancestors. Without those factors, any “progress” made is only an exercise in futulity, as we are spinning one’s wheels starting over from scratch time and again, with no collective and/or accumulated knowledge imbued as a whole. Right now, blacks as a whole are stuck on stupied due to our failure to employ the above factors: self love, respect for self, history; respect for our Elders, Ancestors, Women, and Children and a sense of collective community which “integration” robbed us of.

    P.S. — I didn’t add men to the list above because black women are still loyal and respectful of black men to a fault, but too often it is not reciprocated by black men, and they are the only men on the planet who put other women above their own, particularly when they think they got it going on and/or have the financialy wherewithall to honor and treat black women like queens versus showering their soon gone fortune on grifters and whores who find them to be easy prey. That’s what integration has done to black folks.

  41. Derrick Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    I say this ALL the time…INTEGRATION and RELIGION has messed up the minds of negroid people!

    WE WERE MUCH BETTER OFF WITH SEGREGATION. Do you see caucasoids running to the few Black businesses we have left in our commmunities? Of course not!

    They NEVER patronized our businesses, and never will. They use to come in the community to buy some bar-b-que, but now caucasoids have bar-b-que joints in the burbs, and negroids are going there to eat some of that junk![Famous Dave's and Shorty's Bar-b-que], which are chain joints.

    Back in the 20′s we had our OWN businesses, and didn’t have to patronize these caucasoids, but since integration, that’s all negroids do is patronize a group of strangers, that don’t look like us, that don’t hire us, and that don’t give a d**n about us!

    We had Black male teachers at our schools, but now caucasoid teachers are dumbing down our children, and treating them like first class slaves!

    Integration has also turned negroid females against Black men, and negroid males against Black women; therefore, we are in a terrible state, since ML King started this b.s.

    Today, these foreign ‘minorities’ have taken over the civil rights bill, and we are left at the bottom of the ship beggin’ for our rights, while these strangers enjoy making money OFF of our hard earned money.

    Back in the day; we enjoyed being Black and Proud, but today, negroids want to be called a minority, which is a DEGRADING word!

    Today, negroids want to be called ‘racist’ when this word ONLY applied to the klanners, and other jim crow crackers back in the day!

    IN 5 MORE YEARS, negroids ARE GONNA BE BACK WITH CHAINS ON THEIR ANKLES, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY ARE ENSLAVED WITH CHAINS ON THEIR MINDS!

  42. Tracey Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Feel that we are better off than we were. With what I do, as a stylist, I am blessed enough to have a clientele. However, I remember in Presient Obama’s Acceptance Speech, he said that we May Not get there in 1 term, but I promise you, we will get there.

  43. Jackson Reply

    October 2, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Martin Luther King Jr. talking to Harry Belafonte: “I said, ‘What’s the matter, Martin? You seem very agitated.’ He said, ‘Well, I am, because I’ve come upon a thought that I don’t know how to deal with at this moment.’ I said, ‘Well, what is it?’ He said, ‘We’ve fought long for integration. It looks like we’re gonna get it. I think we’ll get the laws,” he says. “But I’m afraid that I’ve come upon something that I don’t know quite what to do with. I’m afraid that we’re integrating into a burning house.’”

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